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 Post subject: Patients offered "help" by Hagele
PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:10 pm 
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On 11 Mar 2006 12:31:43 -0800, "Lasik Complications" wrote:

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I am shocked to hear someone actually say that he/she are "concerned aout people who end up with complications.....


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Glenn Hagele:
Why would it be shocking that someone expresses concern about people with complications?

There are entire organizations of people devoted to helping people with complications. Several doctors throughout the country set aside a portion of their time specifically to help people with complications, often donating their time and money. There are many, many people who are available and willing to help those with poor outcomes.

Email to glenn.hagele@usaeyes.org

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org


Lasik patients... especially those of you with REALLY bad outcomes... please try to see if Glenn can help get you get 'fixed' and give us a full report about your experiences! Will he be abusive to you, as he was to the lasik casualty 'Sandy' in the letter below?

His e-mail address to contact him is above. If Glenn can prove that he actually 'fixed' some patients with complications, especially via doctors who DONATED time and money, perhaps website operators would stop refering to his organization as a 'fake patient advocacy group'.

Frankly the only doctors I see donating time and money to help damaged LASIK patients are optometrists.


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 Post subject: Think before you post
PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:47 pm 
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Glenn Hagele wrote:
That's enough Sandy. I am fed up with your whimpering and whining.

I have volunteered for years, since long before excimer laser evercame about and long before you decided to have LASIK, for the National Federation of the Blind (NFB). I have been a member of the President's Club since the mid 1980s. I can tell you that these fine people, who are functionally or totally blind and don't have options for vision restoration, would take you to task for even suggesting that they or someone who has functional but disrupted vision have "shattered" lives.

Your suggestion that someone who needs a corneal transplant to restore vision has a "shattered" life is offensive, rude, abusive, and mean spirited. Who the hell are you to tell these people their lives are shattered?

Look at yourself. You had a catastrophic LASIK outcome. By your description, you have gone through hell. You have decided not to have a corneal transplant that several doctors have suggest may be beneficial, but even without a transplant and by your own admission, your vision now is 20/20 corrected, functional, but not perfect.

You operate your own business, you have a family life, you have friends, you travel, you are able to communicate here and on your own website. There is no doubt that all of the things you do are limited or done with limited vision, but where do you get off calling your life "shattered". I don't know what you consider a "shattered" life, and everyone has his or her own opinion about what that would mean, but people with real problems would not consider your life "shattered". Not one bit.

Why don't you visit the NFB's convention this July and tell them how your life is so terribly shattered because your 20/20 vision is distorted and you won't have a transplant. How dare you insult these fine people by characterizing your wimpy-ass problems as "shattering" your life.

You just don't get it Sandy. You never have and you never will. The world doesn't give a damn about Sandy Keller and her little problems, because the world knows what real problems are. You are a mosquito in the Taj Mahal. You go on and on about how you had to do this and have to do that while there are people out the functioning perfectly well without a complaint who don't have any vision at all. Then you have the audacity to characterize them as having shattered" lives. You are the worst kind of zealot. You are so full of yourself and your "problems" that you don't see or give a damn about people who really do have difficulties and challenges.

The fact that you received over $250,000 dollars in a malpractice settlement indicates the severity of your difficulties, but "shattered" is not an adjective that anyone who has encountered real vision difficulties would use to describe you, the great anti-refractive surgery/surgeon/industry zealot whiner.

Not everyone who has a bad refractive surgery outcome - even catastrophic - considers the event "life shattering". Not everyone who experiences a corneal transplant (for whatever reason) will spend hours a day on the Internet trying to scare anyone foolish enough to listen. Just how "shattered" a life may be by a bad refractive surgery outcome is going to depend an awful lot on the personality and mental stability of the person involved. You obviously do not have the personality or mental stability to deal with your own problems without inflicting your misery on the rest of the world.

There are tens of thousands of corneal transplants performed every year due to natural causes and eye trauma that have nothing to do with refractive surgery. These people's lives are not "shattered". Their lives are challenged or disrupted, but not "shattered". Their vision is restored (probably not perfectly, but certainly functionally) with a surgical procedure. That is not exactly a "shattered" life, and at least they have the option of having some vision restoration with a transplant. Not everyone gets this opportunity.

I have said time and again that refractive surgery is not just about the physiology of the eye. It is about what the individual patient expects from refractive surgery. If someone is unable to accept the 3 in 100 possibility of any kind of unresolved problem and the 1 in 2,000 possibility of a catastrophic outcome that might even result in a transplant, then that person SHOULD NOT have refractive surgery. If someone is unable to emotionally handle the consequence of the potential adversity, then that person SHOULD NOT have refractive surgery - or any other elective surgery, for that matter.

Next time you are going to spread your bovine fertilizer here or anywhere, think about the white cane that YOU DO NOT USE and think about the people who you insult by claiming some sort of righteous indignation because you made a bad decision in your life.

Not only have you demonstrated time and again that you don't have the emotional ability to handle your own problems without vomiting your neurosis on the rest of the world, you have the unmitigated gall to tell people who have real problems that you have a "shattered" life. I, for one, have had enough of you. Take your sniveling whining to SurgicalEyes where it is appreciated and leave the rest of the sane world out of your self-perpetuated gloom.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance


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This is very true,I have been to four top opthomologists and all I got was total denial.When you confront them with proof and they see you know a little more than they thought,they clam right up and get you out of the office.It's the optometrists that are trying their best to treat these visual dysfunctions.Many of them just don't know how to help you.Contacts won't hardly fit anymore,the eyes are too dry for them to work etc etc etc on and on.
Hagele is spewing this same bunch of horse manure again huh.He deserves our complications,then he could decide if it's not a real problem.What an arrogant jerk.


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